Dear California, Love MJ

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Hi and welcome to another episode of senior bitches, where the guest today is me. We're going to start the show with my love letter. My I heart to California. I've just come home after the fires. So here we go. Deep breath. 20 years ago, I arrived in California with dreams as wide and expansive as a crest and valleys of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, with scores of Joni Mitchell lyrics embedded into my brain, from blue to Ladies of the Canyon. I touched down at LAX December 5, 2005 hopeful that I would one day run into Joanie at the iconic Pacha restaurant nestled at the foot of her beloved Laurel Canyon. Every day I would cross over Mulholland, drive into the San Fernando Valley and marvel at how lucky I was that this could possibly be my home Charlie Chaplin's sprawling estate sprawled to the left of me and rose covered cottages on my right scattered up winding side streets that took you deep into the secret laden heart of the canyon, and the light every hour had a different feel, the dappled sunlight of midday, the freshness and promise of the morning run and the pink and purple bursts of sky that peek through the Oaks just before sunset. No one can ever prepare you for the beauty of California. It is not possible when you arrive Your senses are overloaded. First, you've got to learn to layer as you navigate all the ecosystems of the day, sweaters and cozy scars become obsolete by lunch and removed to reveal lightweight clothing, even in February, which eventually gives way again to more sweaters and evening wraps. As a desert climate hits like ice, the second dusk sets in, and as the days go by, you will find bird houses in the Hollywood Hills. You'll do your morning hikes, either in Mandeville or cold water Canyon, and you will learn that if you stand silent under the stars of Joshua Tree for a long, long time, the sky will reveal itself to you one constellation at a time. Thank you, Tragically Hip for that little ditty. You close your eyes at night and you fantasize about owning a house in Malibu so wild and defiant in its ability to exist on cliffs and slivers of sand. You picture yourself there, surrounded by endless tangles of pink and orange bougainvia, with the Pacific Ocean at your door, gray and charcoal in the evening and liquid blue and sparkling when the sun is high. Then 15 years later, your son somehow ends up in San Francisco for university, and you get to tour with him, hate Ashbury and the Painted Ladies, and somehow you end up in a car on the Golden Gate Bridge, getting some of the worst news of your life. And so it goes. In truth, my love affair with California is the longest and healthiest relationship I've ever had, and it all began when I arrived on its doorstep married. I was married and with a young family in tow, fresh from the chilly winds of Toronto, Canada, we rent a 1930s bungalow in Studio City that is surrounded by orange and lemon trees and neighbors with Sparkling Pools and open arms who fold us into their lives like we are family coming from north of the 42nd parallel. I had never met such a group of welcoming and eclectic people with stories that stretched far and wide on why they ended up in LA I was even lucky enough to know several legit los Angelenos who are generational and not transient, and that's very rare. Like my friend Julie, she's a world famous makeup artist, but she's also a native of the Palisades, and her father was a famous psychologist that treated all the stars really fucked up kids. Or Maria McKee, a brilliant musician I idolized from afar, who's become a lifelong friend over years of five o'clock dinners at dub Pasquale on Santa Monica, dressed head to toe in vintage Gucci, not me her and with her beloved Greyhound any by her feet waiting for scraps of chicken parm and bufa mozzarella. And my best friend Jane, too. She grew up in Beverly Hills when it was a working town, a middle class neighborhood that was positioned really well to all the Hollywood Studios. Her dad, Allen, has been a working actor since the 60s and has become one of my best buddies, and at 94 years of age, remembers every single job he has ever had, from playing a dentist on the Partridge Family to starring in Sunset Boulevard opposite Glen, close to almost working with Hal Prince before he got kicked out of his audition for singing the wrong song. But he did that on purpose to piss off Hal Prince. Aside from that, he's an insanely good flirt who orders rounds of drinks for random ladies at our monthly lunches at il pistaio, where he holds COVID. And shares a treasured trove of detailed stories, as well as his ongoing hate of Ryan Gosling. I don't understand it, but he does, and I hang on every single word. California is also the place where my marriage ended, where I became a single mom, and where I spent an evening in jail on lasagna night, no less, I have learned the harsher truths of its climate in career and weather quickly, but never once has my love wavered for this Incorrigible, wild child I have called home for two decades. I love you, California.

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I love you. Oh, I can feel the lump in your throat. I love you.

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I do. Who knew that was going to happen? But anyway, how's it going? No, California. I just need to say this, California is a place for dreamers, because there's just open possibilities everywhere. So it takes a certain type of person and a certain type of verb to come here, and it's been a very emotional time right now for the state and for all of us in it. So there you go. How's it going with you?

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Let's back it up a little. So you went home for the holidays in Toronto, and then this sort of started unfolding with the fires while you were away from your beloved home. Were you someone like watching on, you know, a little a lot of people have those little cameras outside their doorbells. Or were you just checking in with friends? To be like, is my place still there? Like,

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no, it wasn't even that sexy. I was actually at home in Toronto taking care of my parents, one with dementia, and one who I just moved was acting a bit like a wild toddler, and had just done this two or three crazy weeks with my family, and it was the evening of the fires, and I was about to get on a plane the next morning, and all of a sudden, my friend started texting me and saying, You do not want to come home. And then I turn on the TV and I just see these explosive fires like Armageddon, just going up everywhere to all the places I know and love. And I'm like, What the fuck is going on? And I actually was up all night just keeping in touch with people to see how people were and what was going on, and everything was going up like that. At 630 the next morning, I decided to change my flight because my guy was like, I don't even think I can pick you up. The Highways are closed. My son was in West Hollywood. He was saying the air quality is terrible, obviously. So I delayed my flight so surrealistically, I'm watching it unfold on television, like almost everybody else I'm watching this going, how can this possibly be real? How can it be real?

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Now, I know you have connection with the Pacific Palisades, but maybe for those who don't know exactly where you live, like, How close was your neighborhood to anything dangerous?

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Well, eventually I was in the path. I sold my house a year ago in the valley in Studio City, and actually that house was in the path, but I did not own it anymore, and it was okay at the end of the day, the Palisades, okay? I live in Beverly Hills, okay? The Palisades looks like makes Beverly Hills look like Compton, all right? It is the most beautiful place on earth. It is pristine. It is like this village out of a movie. You can't even imagine how beautiful and gorgeous it is. And it's all situated on these cliffs that overlook the ocean into mescilla Canyon, right? So it's just this perfect little gem of old and new. And when my daughter was 14, there's actually a lottery to get into pallie high. And pally high is the quintessential California school, right? Like, it's like where every Hollywood movie was ever made about California high schools, and the school is just iconic, and it's up sort of the valley, and then when you come out of the school, you go down a set of stairs, and it's a football stadium that overlooks the Pacific. So Lola actually entered a lottery to get into it, because they take about 30% of their kids outside of the neighborhood, and she got in. Oh, wow. So I remember going with my parents, you know. And for me, this was the California dream to have my dog did a course. They had a class on surfing, you know, to have my daughter go to the school. Was my dream as a parent, to have a go there. And I remember, I was with my parents, and we toured the school, and my dad was, you know, my parents were going, Holy shit, we've never seen anything like this. And then we went for lunch at a little Italian restaurant after and toasted this new journey of my daughter. So I would actually get up at, you know, 530 every morning, take her to the bus stop, because it was about an hour drive to the Palisades. It's not that far, but they picked up kids along the way, and at least once a month, the bus would run out of gas or stall and be at the top of the hill, and all the kids would have to walk into school. So I used to go pick up my daughter from school, and we'd go to the Starbucks and hang out, you know, Rick Caruso village, and just sit there and go, we can't believe we're a part of this. You know, it was just, it was just a California. New dream to be able to have that.

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And I don't think I know why you settled in California from Toronto to begin with. What moved you to California was it the husband at the time? It was

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the husband at the time, okay, the one and only that I've had, and again, part of the California Dream, he was an actor, right? Quotes. And, you know, got our green cards and we headed down to California to further his acting career. And actually, my career was taking off as all this, all the shenanigans began. But we came down here around Christmas, you know, this small little family with all our belongings to have the American dream, in living in the little bungalow in the valley and meeting all our friends that I'm still friends with. So again, that was part of the trajectory of this dream of going to Los Angeles, California for the promise that it all held. And I think in my heart and soul, I've always been a California girl. Hence the natural blonde hair. I can see it, you can see it. And so it was. I've always longed for it, and always listened to the Joni Mitchell albums in blue and Ladies of the Canyon, and just was fascinated by all of it. So it's always, was always a dream. And I've been here for two decades. I've been here for 20 years. And

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I believe you talk about this in the in the book opportunity and possibility in California. Can you talk about that a little

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bit? It's just It's the place where anything can happen. Yeah, you know where anything can happen. And it's very different than other places, because you can go to the Chateau Marmont, you can go to places on Sunset and look like you don't have a dime, but guess what? You could and you could be the next best thing, and the best writer and the best director. So we're the best anything. And so there's, you know, an equality here, kind of how you're treated. And then I have the other end of the spectrum with my friend, Alan, my 94 year old friend, who's got like a hot new girlfriend at 90, and he's had a career in acting since the 60s, from The Mod Squad to, you know, like the Brady Bunch, Partridge Family, Goldie Hawn movies. And he was a working actor, and he still works. He goes to Comic Con. He voices the gay Smurf and Skeletor, but that was part of my friend Jane's upbringing, that he was her dad was a working actor, and she went to Beverly Hills High, and it was just kind of normal middle class, upper middle class living. So it's a place for dreamers. We've kind

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of touched on this before in conversations we've had off of the podcast, but you got to have some resistance to the idea of living in like a flood zone or an earthquake zone. And we're talking about, you know, climate change and its impacts in in what you've been witnessing happen in your beloved LA, so did you have any reservations at the time about moving somewhere like that? No,

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not one iota. I've been through so many earthquakes where it feels like a bus has hit your building and it goes back and forth. And, you know, actually, we had a cluster of them a couple months ago, one after another, and you just get a bit worried when they keep going on and on and on. But I've, I've lived through a lot of earthquakes. Um, clearly, I'm still here. Flooding, horrible flooding. Fires, Malibu fires a couple of years ago and a couple of years before that. And the flooding here is, you know, there's no curbs, there's no roads like it, just floods like you hydroplanes. So you're always on the verge of a natural disaster here. And historically, that's been true. You know, John Joan Didion writes about this in the Santa Anas, which is a great essay, because she lived here. And the Santa Anas, which is what happened with these fires, right? Are these winds. And I guess they're like, you know, Morocco gets those winds. I think they're the Cicero winds, like around the world when it's just a perfect storm. And California has always had the Santa Anas, and they're so powerful that they scrambled people's ions in their brains, like people get, like, really depressed or suicidal or crazy. It's these winds that blow 24/7, and what happened this time with the Santa Anas is that two years ago, we got all the flooding, so we had all the growth, lots and lots of growth, lots of vegetation around these fire zones, and then the drought hit in for six to eight months. So when those winds came off the mountain, they could blow anything away. It was catastrophic. And then once they start, it just goes, goes, goes. And you can't fight them because the planes to scoop the water can't go do it because the wind is too strong, and it's like nature saying, Get out of the fucking way. I'm coming. It's always, historically, been a fire zone for decades and decades and decades.

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Now, this is going to be a weird question. Question, but

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I'm single.

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Good to know, are you? Yep, still single? Okay, got updates for you, but I can't wait. There's this sort of idea spreading that, like the rich people of California, can suck it up. You know what? I mean. You've seen it, probably on social media. Anyone who's listening has seen it on their feet in the last few weeks. And I just wonder, you know, as someone who came from, you know, like you said, we were just a small family living in a bungalow, you know, making do with what you had towards the American dream, like, what's the message there about? Well, it doesn't matter. You're rich, you can, you can pay for all this devastation, right? Like,

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yeah. Well, you know, I think it's twofold too, right? Listen, California is a state of dreamers. California has the fourth or fifth largest GDP in the world. You don't fuck with California. And by the way, the rest of the states could not exist without California. If you're listening in DC or mar a Lago, wherever the fuck you are, you know. So California could even secede. It's not going to, even though Canada's invited it to, but it is a strong, powerful state, and it does get this label of being left is woo hoo, you know, liberal lattes and all that stuff. But it's 40 million people strong. So there is a real collaboration of all sorts of different people who live here, you know. So that's, that's the first thing. It gets a bad rap, even before this starts, right? And then the whole thing with about that, I think that that is culturally in the states now, I think in, you know, sort of eat the rich or the elitist. And honestly, I get it. I get how people feel that way, because people are struggling so badly right now. You know, the economy is presumably good, but it's not for most people. You know, I mean, even here now, there's price gouging in rents. Rents have gone up 30% since, since the fires three weeks ago, and the cost of living and gas and everything it's it's complete and utter insanity. So I think when people see this, and because the country is so divided and there's this hostility, I think it's almost a natural expression of that. But you know, the truth is, there's lots of people lived in the Palisades who had generational homes, who, you know, when my daughter was there, two or three families living in a bungalow and staying there to send their kids to the best schools and have the best quality of life. And also, I'd imagine that a lot of these wealthy people who have the 10 million houses are probably mortgage to the tits and, you know, have everything invested in their homes. Some guy lost his whole art collection in his home, war halls, like everything gone. That's kind of crazy, right? Like they weren't in a museum. Like probably hundreds of millions of dollars of art is gone. So now you have a situation where people have lost their homes. Who knows how much money, disposable money, they actually have, after these huge investments, they've got to go find somewhere to live. It's going to be double of where they lived right presently. And then the act of rebuilding, conservatively, is two to three years that's without insurance, because who the hell is going to insure the Palisades, and that's getting rid of all the toxins in the ground. So the reality of it is horrendous. It's horrendous. There's 15 to 18,000 structures gone with that people can't live in. And then not to speak of Altadena, which was a working class town, again, generational. Pasadena Malibu gone, just gone.

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How did you feel driving like from the airport? Like, what was your your initial feeling when you were getting back home? Oh,

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well, my initial fit, you know, because I've been out to see the devastation. Oh yeah, drive my my initial feeling was, it was a beautiful, sunny day in LA, no traffic like this is unusual, just eerily quiet and nothing quite just Something didn't feel right, but this underlying sadness and stress that everybody had. And then I went and I took a look at the areas, and you can't even prepare yourself for it until you see it. It is Armageddon. It looks like a war zone. I'm not insulting war zones. I'm just saying that's what it looks like. There's just like sticks and structures and ash and dirt and gray and smoldering and cars shoved up against the side of the road that were plowed off the PCH. It's like a different universe. It's it. It looks like it's it looks like somebody just came and just wiped everything away.

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I think on the other side of the coin though, we've really seen community in action, right? We've seen people coming together. Are at the time where they need support from community most. What have you noticed in your circles, or even like, Canadians helping Americans? Like, it seems like it's coming from everywhere.

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Well, those Canadians flew down with their scooper planes and did some serious shit down here. The Canadians and the Mexicans. Everybody came in to help, by the way from all the different borders came in to help. So that was key. Oh my gosh, I have friends who brought people who'd been evacuated into their homes, who are supporting people financially, who, you know, I've, like, given half my wardrobe away. You know, people are doing that, food, clothes, anything they can do to help. The GoFundMe pages are insane. They're 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of families. And you know, after this episode, we'll put some stuff in the links for people to donate to or be aware of. But it's just this massive campaign of people wanting to help in any way. All the Volunteer Centers are packed. 24/7, I look at my window head sunny and calm and nice, but literally three miles away from me, it's an evacuation zone. You know? It's very bizarre. Very

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bizarre makes you think about gratitude too, like it could have been anyone.

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It could have been anyone and and one of my good friends, who's Canadian, lives in Brentwood, and she's been my friend, Risa, since I was 19 or 20, and she ran CAA, who had one of the biggest jobs in Hollywood, and was sitting in her house, evacuated twice this close to losing her house, the fires in the Palisades went like that, like, you didn't even have 10 minutes. You had no time. Like, literally, it was, you know, one day I went to, I was going to Malibu. I love Malibu. Driving to Malibu, driving. I drove by the Palisades, wave to my daughter at her high school, and then all of a sudden I get a text from my daughter, oh, there's a fire beside her school, and they turn around and there's a fire over her school. That's how fast it That's how fast it went. They evacuated her. It was fine. They got it under control. But when those Santa Ana's hit and the fires and the embers, it's minutes. It's not hours. It's actually minutes before your your house goes up. It is just the most. It's like a tidal wave I'd imagine

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comes in, not on our prep sheet. I'm gonna hit you with something. Hit me. What does this make you do to prepare for the next emergency evacuation? Like, if something happened today, I live on the water in Toronto, right? Like, I'm sure for me, it would be flooding or something like that, but I am ill prepared, and this, your hair looks good. You look really good today. Thank you. Take the wins. Take the wins. Yeah, but you know it makes you think about like the next time that we are confronted with a natural disaster, whether it's here or someone I love somewhere else, how can we be better prepared?

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Well, here's what's interesting, because I talked to some people in Runyon And Palisades who had this like, had 10 minutes to go back to their house, and in their brain, they had no idea what to take. They somebody took a t shirt, right? They didn't know what to take. Like, well, maybe I should have taken my passport or my birth certificate or but your brains are so scrambled you don't know what to take, but so what they have here is, you know, your get ready bag like they actually have a list of stuff, you know, like a charger and water and everything that you should take. We're always told that we should do that prepare. I don't have anything prepared, so I should get something prepared. But I think that the bigger lesson is how vulnerable all of us are at any time to anything, especially with climate change, is a huge issue. And you know, you just never know like, who would have woke up that day and thought, I'm gonna lose my home? No, on a sunny day,

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no, you know what I read that like made so much sense and seemed like a very good idea. Yeah, you grab your your laundry basket. And the reason why is because seasonally you're prepared. Sure, you gotta maybe do some laundry somewhere, but you're seasonally equipped for things from that week. They're all things that fit because you've been wearing them. And it's probably a week worth of close

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that's really good. They do actually put a list of what you should have. What about

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the emotional things, though, like, Do you know where you're like, Do you have a stack of baby photos of your kids that, like, need to be in a safe spot, that you can grab them at a moment's notice, and things like that? Well, here's

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what's kind of interesting. I do have about four or five things that I would grab for sure. But, you know, I sold my house a year ago, and I had some stuff in the garage, okay, and I forgot about it. No, they demolished my house a week ago, so I've actually had to say goodbye to stuff. Yeah, oh my God. And the only thing I would care about is photos. Yeah, that's the only thing I really care about. Or,

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like, if someone gave you something, like, whether it's like, a ring or a bracelet, right? Like, it maybe is just a lesson in even if you do normally have a jewelry box somewhere, like, maybe there's just a place where the photos and the ring that means the most are together, ready to be

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it's a good idea. I have where I am now, all like letters from my kids, birthday cards. I have a box full of all that stuff that I've saved in their drawings and everything. So I would, I would definitely take those. But yeah, people don't have one single thing, nothing. They don't have anything. So you you

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mentioned, you know, giving, donating clothing, I am sensing from you a new chapter coming again. God, you're

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smart. Am I right? Am I right? You are right. Well, the funny thing is, before all of this happened, I was thinking of taking some new paths outside of California, doing some different adventures inspired by what exactly inspired by, I'm old as fuck, and I better, like, get on my game and do stuff. And so I was thinking about some different destinations, actually, that make you happy, and yeah, but then I would feel like I'm being unfaithful to California. But I think that everybody right now feels unmoored and disoriented and, you know, sort of confused as to what the next step is. So I might have a big next step coming up, like in the next week or two. Oh, so three Give me three weeks. Give me three weeks.

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Okay, what is it dependent on? That's such a like, that's like a hard deadline.

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I know my mental health, which, which could be dicey at this point, I'm just looking into new adventures. I'm just looking into some new adventures, and I've just arrived back home and gonna see my 94 year old for lunch on Tuesday.

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You always get perspective out of him. Always

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get, as he calls it, Tuesday, Tuesday. We're gonna meet on Tuesday, not Tuesday, and he's gonna tell me about his love life again. So just a period of adjustment. What's next? Just like from an outsider, for you watching it, what did you kind of garner from it? What did you get any lessons from it? Or what did you think? Yeah, I

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feel like, again, there's takeaways for everyone, no matter where you live, that climate change is real and exactly like you said, it's like, I'm coming anyway, so get out of the way. Yeah, you know that that is a reality that we have to accept wherever we live. And you know, so it was the fires in LA this month. What is it next month? Right? Like all of these things are happening everywhere, the flooding that we've seen in Canada, the wildfires we've seen in Canada. So yeah, takeaway wise, you know, preparedness, and it's not like I have the right answers, other than my laundry basket tip, I don't have the answers. But I think it forces us to think about how we want to prepare ourselves, when and if we find ourselves in this situation, to never have thought of it before, is doing yourself a disservice, even if you don't know the answer today, just start thinking about it. And you know, if I think there's also almost like a there's like a universe interjection here in your situation that I can kind of see for anyone going through something like this, it's, it's a chance to take stock and ask yourself if you're happy, if you are where you need to be, and not just to run away from hard things. Like, there's a lot of people who have to sit with that hard thing and figure out their next steps there. But it can also be an opportunity for, okay, if you do have to start over, you know, where do you want to do it, and how does it look?

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Yeah, I think that's very astute of you to say that. And I think also to your point, you know, I know that California's taken some heat for how they've handled the fires and the water pressure, and that, you know, the coordination, a lot of stuff right, which could obviously have been done better. But when you get catastrophic fires at four or five different locations of that nature, with the Santa Anas that blew for days and days and days like the firefighters say, you know, Mother Nature beat our ass, and that's what happened. And those areas are in traditional fire zones, Palisades, not to the extent that any of us would have thought, but Mother Nature reminds us again, every few years, every couple of decades. And of course, with climate change, it's exacerbated. So that was just the perfect storm.

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There's also something I need to say about misinformation. There's so. Much misinformation, I know. So, you know, yes, we should have trust issues with legacy media. And I'll be the first person to raise my hand as someone who came from legacy media and is now working in, you know, podcasting, which is becoming more mainstream. You know, we need to make sure that we consult sources and a variety of them in order to come up with what is real and what is not.

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We are just living in the zone of misinformation. 24/7, thank you. Zuckerberg, no more fact checking these, these outrageous things that are put out that have no truth and create this narrative. And always the narrative is division, right? Yeah, like, one or two days in, like, blaming California. Like, you know, fuck California. And, like, what does that? What purpose does that serve? You know, with New Orleans in the levees, or Florida in the hurricane, like, what is this? You know, it's what

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was the wildest piece of misinformation you heard about the fires?

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Well, it came from the 47th you know, but the smelt, or the faucet turning on water, or, you know, like, what, Let the water flow, you know, just, we're gonna turn it on. We're gonna turn it on. We got the tap and the big picture of the faucet, and we're just not turning it on, you know, and all this stuff, all the disinformation always blames somebody, right? Like, that's the purpose of it, and it doesn't serve anybody. Yeah, it really, really doesn't, but it's the news is such entertainment. I don't even watch news anymore. From a news junkie, I don't watch it anymore,

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yeah, and you know you talked about that on the on the episode that you did in late 2024 What was that show that you like watching? Oh, Morning Joe. Yeah. And sorry, it did come out in a 2025 episode, the last episode, yeah, with Shannon watts, that you love Shannon, but yeah, when your favorite shows are suddenly, you know, talking about, you got to pay attention to all that stuff.

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Yeah, I do, and I can't, I can't watch it. Yeah, I can't watch it. It gets me angry and anxious, and that's the last thing I need to do. So, yeah, and actually, today, though, because I want to end this on good news, please, I was going to, oh, I have two good news is for you. Two. Good news two. Good news is one. Okay, you know my Bumble, you and I, uh huh. Now it could be aI generated, but a handsome man on Bumble who likes football. Look at me, pointing at you. We've been chatting a little.

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Okay, your psychic. The psychic told you it was a man with What color eyes, again, blue, Amber, green, blue eyes. Can't remember blue look, look on your thing.

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Well, okay, but so we've been, I was supposed to, he was supposed to call me yesterday, but I was watching football. I didn't pay attention. So today. Okay, so that's good, right? Yeah, we like that. Are you proud of me?

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Proud? Well, you took your own advice. You gave me, which was to remain open hearted. Great.

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I've remained open hearted. Okay, number one and number two, I had a big meeting this morning of a project that could be really exciting. Okay, that could happen that I'm working on that would make you and I very rich and famous. Oh, yes,

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love that. Yeah.

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So I wanted to end on two up notes. I like that. I just want to do a big shout out to California and Los Angeles. And, like I said in the notes, I said it wrong, but we'll put some good organizations that are being really helpful, and just some information around that. And, you know, just good thoughts and lots of love and good vibes for California and all its incredible people. Thank you so much for joining us today and look forward to brand new episodes every other Wednesday. You lucky people find senior bitches wherever you get your podcasts or at women in media. Dot Network.